KDE 2.1 Beta 2 and Nautilus PR 3 - are out 131
As the title says - KDE 2.1 Beta 2, and Nautilus Preview Release 3 are out. Both are in the last beta stages. So, if you like KDE or you like GNOME, then go ahead - download the source or binaries, install, test, torch it - and give bug reports. KDE announcment is here which includes LOTS of improvments, while on the Eazel side, there is a nice demo mode which you can test it here or download it here. Enjoy.
Setting solid background color (Score:3)
I'd tell you which menu, but right now it is completely refusing to startup.
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In related news (Score:5)
Re:Pathetic Hypocrisy (Score:1)
It seems it's mainly a collection of elements
which have been around for a long time.
The start menu is just a variation of the root
menu - just tied to a button rather than to the
root window - big deal. Same for the task
bar/panel the elements are there in openwin and
CDE, too. For example CDE can give you a little
box with icons representing your running apps -
you click on the one you want and it pops into the
foreground. Very similar to a taskbar really. That
was around long before Windows 95, too. Clicking
on icons on the desktop? - openwin had it. Drag
and drop also was around on SUN desktops.
What's innovative about putting the clutch on the
left, brake in the middle and the accelerator on
the right?
It makes a lot of sense to standardize on these
things, and I'm glad KDE and Gnome won't go for
this "everything has to be different" philosophie.
Re:Nautilus PR3 is MUCH better than PR1/2 (Score:1)
treke
Re:Debian (Score:1)
Hey, if anyone else using woody is having odd Konqueror behaviour let me know..
Re:In related news (Score:1)
<sigh>
And after writing that long and serious responce.
Next time: RTFC
Re:Hentai Ninja Clan 0wnz slashdot on PS2 (Score:1)
Re:Debian (Score:1)
Re:40 gig MP3 Library (Score:1)
Now, run along little troll. I'm sure you have some new 5|r1pt to download and run. Perhaps you'll probe my firewall one day, and I'll have the pleasure of getting your ISP to shut you down....
Re:Hot damn! (Score:1)
The demo itself (Score:1)
"here, just visit this URL and see what linux can do for you."
Great idea. I'm a step closer to buckling down and installing linux on a partition.
-Erik
Well, KDE/Konqueror.. (Score:1)
One of the coolest things you can do in KDE is access files via URLs from *any* KDE application.
For instance:
Kwrite->File->Open->ftp://me@host/file.txt
Or you can just browse to the same FTP site with Konqueror and right-click file.txt and choose Kwrite. Both ways work.
Anyway, it will open that file on the server. Clicking on Kwrite's save button will cause the KDE I/O subsystem to ftp the file back to the server.
Basically if it works in Konqueror's location bar, then it works everywhere else. This is insanely useful, not to mention just plain cool!
-Justin
Nautilus (Score:3)
Additionally, Nautilus needs a better way to edit mimetypes. Ideally, I'd right-click a file, and have the options of:
For example, Gnumeric files are identified as gzip files (since a Gnumeric file is a gzip'ed XML file) that happen to end in ".gnumeric". While Nautilus knows about Gnumeric, it does not know to associate *.gnumeric with Gnumeric.
Also, when I first launched Gnumeric, it scanned every file system for trashcan folders. Not good, since I have my server's 40G MP3 directory mounted via NFS...
Re:Eyecandy = good (Score:1)
Umm... (Score:1)
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Hot damn! (Score:4)
If only they could support IMAP in KMail working properly, I'd be able to leave Netscape behind. . .
--JRZ
Re:Why does anyone use Gnome? (Score:1)
It's night-time, when the trolls lurk, so I say let them eat grits!
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Re:off target (Score:1)
Install on RH 7 notes; stability issues (Score:4)
And yes, I do plan to contribute by filing lots of bug reports...
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Re:Why does anyone use Gnome? (Score:1)
Now everything seems settled... I hope.
My 0.02 euro. Use it wisely.
Making KDE not look like Windows... (Score:2)
Step Two: move kicker to the top and autohide it
Step Four: choose BII decoration and System theme
Step Five: enjoy
Right, Apple! (Score:1)
But you must be wrong...they CAN innovate.
go get a read at www.asktog.com
Re:KDE and Dual Monitor Support (Score:1)
Whats the world coming to???
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Re:KDE and Dual Monitor Support (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, @03:35PM CDT (#198)
It's not a Qt issue, but an issue of developers not having access to multihead systems. A desktop can easily be made multiscreen aware without the GUI toolkit supporting several screens per process.
We have patches for KDE 2.1 that do this in a very clean and functional way, unfortunately they didn't make it into the release. But they will be available shortly after.
Regarding sending mail to Trolltech: please don't. Qt3 will indeed support multiple screens per process on both MS-Windows and X11 (it's already available in the snapshot releases).
Matthias Ettrich
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Re:Well, KDE/Konqueror.. (Score:2)
> One of the coolest things you can do in KDE is access files via URLs from *any* KDE application.
Win2K. Take Notepad.exe. File->Open... Enter ftp://www.next.com as a file name. Open whatever file you want.
Cheers,
--fred
I think streaming is planned for KDE 2.2 (Score:1)
Have fun!
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Oops ... (Score:1)
My fault :(.
Re:Anti-Aliased fonts ? (Score:1)
I followed the instructions from MandrakeForum.org. It's really a bitch to get going. I got it semi-working, but managed to destabilize my machine pretty bad in the process, so I reverted back to XFree 4.01
Unless you're a masochist or X developer, you're probably best off waiting for it to show up in distros.
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40 gig MP3 Library (Score:1)
Can't fool me! You are all thieves... Hope you are ready to start paying!
Re:KDE's UI (Score:1)
> mistakes and capitalization inconsistencies?
It is just you. Please could you report where the incosistencies are? This is a beta after all.. Meant for fixing bugs.
> Also, what's up with that "kdeinit" shit? This
> is not a flame, I like KDE, but these two
> things bug me.
kdeinit speeds up the loading of KDE apps a lot, as the dynaimic linker ld is not necessary. (That is my layman's unsdertstanding of it....). How does it bother you? WHat should be improved?
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Critical new application in KDE 2.1b2 (Score:1)
Now this is a critical new desktop application, for all of us who has large collections of pr0n^H^H scientific NASA images to manage.
"Eye-candy" says some, but sometimes you just want to see some flesh^H^H^H flashy pictures of huge boo^H^H binary star systems.
Re:KDE2 speed; I can almost hear those cogs grindi (Score:1)
I'm hoping that speed will improve with KDE2.1. I don't think it's a configuration issue.
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Re:Nautilus PR3 is MUCH better than PR1/2 (Score:2)
If you want to use it with a 200MHz machine, you'll probably want to disable "Use smoother (but slower) graphics", turn off "Use Nautilus to draw the desktop" (this capability is much improved, but still buggy and slow, even somewhat slow on the 1100.), and change most of the "speed tradeoffs" options to never. If the box is SCSI, you should be fine leaving a lot of these options on. The packages worked fine on both RH6.2 and RH7.0 systems for me, all of them already had Helix Gnome though.
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Re:off target (i.e. the curse of Linux) (Score:4)
They scream, it's for geeks, no one can use it! It's for servers ACK!!
The coders code, the weak fall, and the mighty tremble.....an award winning GUI or 2 are born.
But you can't do that, GUI's are for desktops and Linux is a great server!!
the coders code, khttpd and better smp comes out, nicer memory handling, USB support. Databases that are so fast commercial apps are forced to go open source.
MS is so upset it says "Linux is going to die by the end of the year". Critics claim that "without better market penetration (i.e. Linux on the desktop) that the open source OS is going no where"
The truth is Linux can do a lot of things very well. Where you put your time coding is your choise. You choose to do something you like, or enjoy. There is no one "target" that works for the entire Linux market. It's simple too big. As far the detractors, keep bitching the coders are listening
.......and the coders code......
Umm, I use KDE... (Score:1)
Konqueror has true I/O transparency (great for FTP) and is more stable than any other web browser I've used. There's even a checkbox for disabling popups!
A true programmer loves a command line interface as well, and Konsole supports multiple terminal sessions in one window via a tabbed interface. Keeps xterm clutter down
While there are other aspects of Linux that need developing as well, I don't think anyone should neglect a project like this one. I was more anxious to get KDE 2.0 than Linux 2.4. Don't worry, there are enough developers in this world. A person writing for KDE is not taking away from potential crypto development =P
If you think that desktop environments are just for newbies, think again. Would you believe that in the sound notification section of KDE, you can specify to log all events to stderr? Toto, we are sooo in unixland.
-Justin
Re:slashdotted already?!? (Score:1)
It works great. Haven't stumbled onto anything nasty yet. No doubt I will soon :)
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Why no KOffice in KDE 2.1 Beta 3 (Score:1)
Re:40 gig MP3 Library (Score:1)
Re:Anti-Aliased fonts ? (Score:2)
Maybe if you compiled all of RH7.1 with "kgcc"
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Re:KDE2 speed; I can almost hear those cogs grindi (Score:1)
I run it on an old PPro 200Mhz, with a old and slow Cirrus Logic 1MB pci video card, but KDE seems really fast. The box has lots of RAM though, and runs kernel 2.4.0. And I have disabled system sounds, -that seemed to speed up the previous release of KDE. (And I just _hate_ all kinds of system sound schemes, -especially the funny ones, grumph!)
Regards
Peter H.S.
KDE has an OO advantage (Score:1)
Most of slashdotters doesn't seem to appriciate OO programming (or design), but I think KDE demonstrates power of Objects. Once framework is done, building applications and features (and integrating them) becomes quite easy. I presume that future KDE development will be quite fast and truly makes KDE desktop delight to use. I enjoy it allready..
Re:Good news for Midnight Commander users. (Score:1)
Actually, I don't quite understand why you are shifting the topic from file managers to windows managers, and why only people with less-than-500-MHz-CPU-box need them to be GNOME compliant.
Re:I'm an experienced computer user but... (Score:1)
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Re:Debian (Score:3)
kde.tdyc.com [tdyc.com]
In fact 2.1b2 has been there for over 4 days
From the freshly started kde-debian FAQ:
6.-Q: How do I install it...I can't find a package called "kde"?
A: 27 Jan 2001
Go to http://kde.tdyc.com/ find a mirror close to you...throw that apt line in...apt-get install task-kde
if you want 2.1 beta packages you need to add a "beta" to the end of the apt line.
Re:Nautilus -- nice, but a couple of gripes :) (Score:2)
While I agree on the first point to some degree (particularly with package updating systems), I think you are confused about your second point. Nautilus is a file manager. Evolution is a mail client.
--Ben
Why would anyone choose apps based on religion? (Score:2)
Damned straight. Now we know that neither KDE or GNOME are about to go anywhere soon
* There's no (combined) style guide, so my kde apps shortcuts don't work in GNOME. And the common dialogues in both look completely different.
* There's no combined mime types, though I am told this is coming.
* The toolkits theme differently, so I configure the look and feel of one set of apps in a different place to another
* DND still doesn't work all the time. My respect goes out to whoever can prove me wrong by dragging a file out of a Konq FTP session onto a GNOME desktop. Yes, I've reported the bug. No, it hasn't been fixed.
* I can't have GNOME panel apps on my KDE panel, and vbice versa
* Package maintainers have to put apps in seperate directories for KDE and GNOME menus. Users have to update and manage them both.
* Eazel services tells me about nifty apps for any tollkit of desktop environment as long as its not QT or KDE. KDE calls GNOME `legacy' in their theme importer. And various other childish actions on both sides.
* Differing icon standards mean icons from apps designed around different desktop environments (not that this should ever be the case) look poor in another.
Re:Why does anyone use Gnome? (Score:1)
Re:Why would anyone choose apps based on religion? (Score:1)
The biggest problem with KDE and GNOME is not that the file managers, java handling, etc aren't brilliant, nor the fact the Joe Average has no idea what a `gnorpm' is. Its that half an average users apps don't work with properly in both of them.
Ahem. Thanks for listening.
Re:Hot damn! (Score:1)
You could almost say Konqueror is the IE of Linux. Unfortunately, Konqueror is not available for Windows and IE is not available for Linux so I guess comparing them is a bit useless.
-Justin
Re:slashdotted already?!? (Score:2)
--Ben
Re:A Real Case Against The Jews (Score:1)
Lousy trolls. I got all excited when I saw "A Real Case" thinking there might be beer involved. Then I saw "Against The Jews" and thought, I can't drink that. Mmmm... race hate. See? It just doesn't work.
Re:Looks cool but .... (Score:1)
Re:Hentai Ninja Clan 0wnz slashdot on PS2 (Score:1)
Nautilus - Anybody home? (Score:1)
Granted, a lot of people use Red Hat. But there is absolutely no reason why a piece of software, especially open source software, should be limited to one distribution. A lot of Linuxers don't use Red Hat, and won't go anywhere near it -- I'm one of them. I use Slackware and Debian, and it'd be nice if I could try this Nautilus thing out. But so far, it looks like I don't even have a chance, unless I download all the source code and system updates. All that just for a preview, one that still may not work since I'm not on Red Hat? No thanks.
They say they will support "most major distributions" in the future. Why not now? Code and support should be given for those "major" distributions now, so the compatibility problems can be worked out early on, not when you're mired in tons of code that you don't want to change. This strikes me as a very poor development approach, and I don't feel it's consistent with the ways of open source -- to give users a choice.
The Nautilus Web Application Platform (Score:1)
I would first off like to state that I think the work that Eazel has been able to accomplish this past year is excellent. Nautilus is growing into a killer desktop application for Linux. That makes two killer applications for the desktop if you count KDE2 and its suite of applications.
I do have one gripe. Eazel has created the perfect merger between the desktop interface and the Internet. Eazel and their services integrate the user experience and the web. It is a great idea, but why aren't there tons of published documents on creating web services? Eazel could really have something unique in the desktop arena if they acted as a portal to tons of 3rd party web services. All Eazel would have to do is provide the framework and the servers for the base services. As far as I have been able to tell from their web site, the backend of Eazel's services run on a little Java 2, a dash of JDBC, a dash of CORBA, and who knows what else. These are the roots of a great object based framework for web services. By providing a framework that is well documented, companies like Kodak could develop a web service for printing pictures through Kodak's net services and getting them mailed to your home. For the user, they would just be browsing their picture folder, they see a button appear in the side panel saying something like "Print Pictures @ Kodak", they click the button and bam, all the photos in that folder are mailed to them in a week on glossies. All of the services are run through Kodak's servers. Eazel just acts as a portal to those services, and as an money making opportunity for Eazel, they could provide turn key solutions for companies that don't have the time/developers to create the services. There is a lot of power in allowing anyone to put some servers together, create a web service, register it with Eazel, and the services are instantly available on Eazel's website and in every user's desktop instantaneously.
That would be an application that companies like Microsoft could only dream of having. .NET demands Windows 2000 servers, and Windows .NET languages. Eazel could provide everything that .NET could provide with an open framework for desktop web services, but allow 3rd parties to create web servers with any type of server, and any damn design that makes them happy.
IE doesn't use plugins. (Score:1)
IE doesn't use plugins. It uses a proprietary architecture with serious security problems called ActiveX. ActiveX Controls, unlike plugins and Java applets, can run hogwild through your Windozer. They are not limited to a "sandbox."
Hostile ActiveX Controls can behave like a system virus. Anyone with a clue turns ActiveX OFF COMPLETELY.
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Re:Nautilus PR3 is MUCH better than PR1/2 (Score:2)
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KDE and Dual Monitor Support (Score:1)
I would really love to have both my monitors up and running in Xfree4... It would be soooooo nice.....
Re:Nautilus -- nice, but a couple of gripes :) (Score:2)
While I agree on the first point to some degree (particularly with package updating systems), I think you are confused about your second point. Nautilus is a file manager. Evolution is a mail client.
I believe he ment that installing Nautilus updated the libs that Evolution required, and now Evolution doesn't work.
Maybe not... (Score:2)
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Re:Hot damn! (Score:1)
KDE stands for (Score:1)
Re:Hot damn! (Score:3)
I'm using a daily snapshot from the beginning of the week, and I agree. They DO seem to have introduced a couple of minor rendering bugs (actually, the only place I've really noticed it so far is that the banner ad on some of the "Linux Today" pages shows up in the middle of the screen, obscuring the text - I haven't really noticed a problem anywhere else)
BONUS - they finally got the "javascript:..." urls in anchor tags working properly. It still doesn't support the feature of typing "javascript:" directly in the location bar, but that's a comparatively minor issue
The new versions even support the special "favicon.ico" thing that IE popularized (Even www.userfriendly.org uses it, it seems...). Purely a toy, in my book, but still kind of nifty.
I'm finally able to abandon Netscape Navigator for browsing! Hooray!
(Now, if only I could figure out what I screwed up on one of my machines that causes applications trying to use the kde sound server to crap out with a "Bad MD5 cookie" error...any hints? It works fine on my other machines, so it's obviously something I've screwed up...I've had this problem on this machine since the 1.9x betas of KDE...)
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Re:Pathetic Hypocrisy (Score:2)
Or do you mean that little irrelevent company from Redmond?
- Jeff A. Campbell
Re:Anti-Aliased fonts ? (Score:2)
Has anyone gotten Konqueror....... (Score:1)
I've fiddled with the file associations and mime type, etc and I can't get it to work.
m3u i'm talking about here, audio/x-mpegurl, like from mp3.com's site.
thanks!
-geekd
Re:Nautilus is Explorer is Constellation (Score:1)
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Re:KDE and Dual Monitor Support (Score:2)
QT has known about the need for mulitple monitor support for several years now. I have requested it to be added, but just got the standard "We'll evaluate your request" form letter. I talked with one of the KDE developers and he had worked on a hack to get it to work, but it was just that, a hack.
I know we have a lot of zealotry and a lot of 'we must have *this*' for linux to be successful rants. But, for a window manager not to be able to support varying desktop configurations - that's unacceptable. In fact I use dual head everyday (on Irix) and I feel that this way of using your computer is going to become more mainstream than QT is anticipating. It's very nice. And with the price of a 19 inch and a GeForceMX so cheap, it's hard not to deny the urge and upgrade your standard linux box.
I don't know if it's a QT backwards compatibility issue, or what. But *please*, everyone who deems multi-monitor support important (especially in KDE), drop an email [trolltech.com] to Trolltech (the QT guys) and let them know.
Re:KDE2 speed; I can almost hear those cogs grindi (Score:1)
Re:What is it with these people? (Score:1)
Nobody is stopping you from using another filemanager. You're just unlucky not to be the target audience.
The sidebar can be turned off using View/Hide Sidebar as well as in the preference dialog in the ski menu. Turning it off even improves speed as the Bonobo components are unloaded (I think).
I disagree, in fact I find the Eazel folks to abandon legacy stuff in order to improve user-friendlyness for those truly new to computers (not Mac, Windows converts). An example is that Nautilus doesn't have copy-n-paste, this is something that can be confusing at first, the Eazel team decided not to include it as it's a bad metaphore (sp.) in their opinion (I'm starting to agree BTW).
Speed has already improved *a lot* and I'm sure it 'll improve even more.
Moderators??? (and defense of the original post) (Score:2)
"Flamebait"?????
How is "I'm a long-time programmer and I actually find many of KDE's features helpful", "KDE won't cause a shortage of crypto development", and "It's not just for newbies anymore" classified as "Flamebait"?
I, on the other hand, am more of a "grovelling newbie" *nix programmer, but I find KDE handy as well. If kwrite had a native "HTML with PHP" highlight mode I'd be in heaven (meanwhile I can get by using PERL highlight mode for php, which works reasonably well, until Quanta+ [sourceforge.net] is out of beta...)
Or is that "Flamebait" too?
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Re:Comfortable with e thanks... (Score:1)
Yeah, what's up with that? That has got to be most annoying non-feature of KDE2. At least you can sort by date, a feature that was sorely missing in KDE1.x. One step forward, one step back.
Re:Critical new application in KDE 2.1b2 (Score:1)
Re:Hot damn! (Score:1)
Comfortable with e thanks... (Score:1)
I Just can't give up that sweet e eyecandy (Aqua), those cool pop-out pagers, and a really clean desktop. Icons and fat toolbars on the desktop are really annoying.
Good news for Midnight Commander users. (Score:1)
Finally its development will not be hindered by the need to support two radically different user interfaces.
Re:slashdotted already?!? (Score:1)
there's a mirror located here [workspot.com]
(only it's /.'d as well!)
Re:Nautilus -- nice, but a couple of gripes :) (Score:3)
No, he's not confused. The specific library theya re talking about is bonobo - to install the latest versions of evolution or nautilus, you inevitably need a newer version on bonobo, which breaks one or the other. I can't speak for this preview release, but to install evolution, I had to install a newer version of bonobo which broke nautilus.
Re:slashdotted already?!? (Score:1)
no wait... the frames point to the same url.
duh (sorry)
Re:Hot damn! (Score:1)
I dual boot W2k and Linux. I can tell you one thing for sure, Konqueror is *much* faster than IE 5.5 (as is all of KDE2). Downloading the beta as I type this, with a smile on my face...thats another big difference: when I upgraded to w2k the student discounted price was $200. As was the student version of Office Professional. On an 800Mhz Athlon in W2k the lag after clicking while doing *anything* is painful.
Nautilus is Explorer is Constellation (Score:4)
Then NS4 came but there was no Constellation. Instead, and I think it didn't even come right away, there was Netcaster, a crappy app put together in a hurry, made from signed JavaScript, Java applets and HTML, that received Marimba and HTML channels. Microsoft quickly followed with IE4 that had true desktop and OS integration to the browser, and a solid push implementation (not that it mattered, since push was dead at birth).
Desktop integration has never really been a big thing, though it lives on in Windows OS's. What HAS been successful is Windows OS's sharing the Explorer app (think "file manager") with the web browser. Directories can be customized using HTML files in just about any way you want.
Some 3 years later, Nautilus arrives on Linux. What I would like to know is what it does differently (better?) than IE/Explorer or Constellation. Does it also copy/inherit from other similar systems that I fail to remember and mention? I know it embeds Mozilla, which means it can probably also easily embed another browser Konqueror.. but then again, the same is true for the Microsoft shell, as IE is just an ActiveX component.. So.. what's new? What's good? What's better?
I WAS WRONG! (Score:2)
I assumed that it was "linux file manipulation for newbies" (ie, cp, rm, ls etc)
I use and like the command line for all file manipulation. But curiosity got the better of me, so I downloaed it. Here are my impressions:
I doesn't get any better looking than this - georgous comes to mind.
Downlaod and install was smooth as silk. Eazal is offering 25mb of online storage for free??? - sign me up!
Browser, file manager, file preview, network access, etc. all in one! Damn, that's cool! I bet it evan does ftp???
Did I mention how pretty it is?
I always felt that the Eazal folks were doing good work - I just assumed I wouldn't want to use it. I WAS WRONG! This puppy just got added to my "gota have it" list. In fact, instead of replacing Netscape 4.x with Mozilla (which I was gong to do when the remove all the debugging code from mozilla), I'm thinking of using Nautilus as a full time browser instead. So far it works better than either of the others do (IMHO).
If you haven't checked it out, I'd recommend it 100%.
Keep up the good work Eazel!
slashdotted already?!? (Score:3)
Nautilus is going to be really sweet when I get around to installing 'Nux on my Be machine.
Nautilus PR3 is MUCH better than PR1/2 (Score:4)
Also, if you have a 500MHz computer, be sure to turn OFF "smoother but slower graphics"
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Re:Eazel (Score:2)
"Argh, Linux does not run on my 286!!" Well, we have to leave some hardware behind. More simultaneous new features = more computing power needed.
For something runnable on a P200 96MB however, try IceWM and DFM. It gives you a crude desktop environment that's like Windows 95 that takes minimal computing resources. (it is the default desktop for Vector Linux)
Re:KDE2 speed; I can almost hear those cogs grindi (Score:2)
you can also do a strip --strip-debug on the binaries and see if it gets any better. Just remember don't do a --strip-all to the libs.
Re:Nautilus PR3 is MUCH better than PR1/2 (Score:2)
Re:Nautilus -- nice, but a couple of gripes :) (Score:2)
--Ben
Anti-Aliased fonts ? (Score:2)
I know kde has been experimenting with anitaliased fonts and have a working preview. When can we expect this to be integrated in one of the betas ?
When can we expect anything anti-aliased from the gnome/xfree camps ? IMHO this is one of the main missing features of desktop linux (along with the lack of a sorenson codec).
The .deskop file standard (Score:3)
.desktop files specify an icon, a program to launch or url to open, and the text label and tooltip for more information. The translations for the text labels are contained in the
Nautilus's system is inconsistent and incoherent. Dragging a program from the GNOME menu makes a symlink to the excutable program. The icon is specified in
I am not just complaining. I test Nautilus on a daily basis and file bug reports. I think this is a design problem that has been overlooked and is of greater importance than some people at Eazel believe. I sincerely want Nautilus to be the best file manager / desktop environmant possible.
Re:Comfortable with e thanks... (Score:2)
Pathetic Hypocrisy (Score:2)
hmmmm...whats the name of that corporation that "cannot innovate"? You know, the one that spends millions of dollars to test and design a nice little interface that functions just fine for both grandma's and sys-admins alike.
hmmmmm...
What is it with these people? (Score:3)
All I want is a good, fast file manager. One that doesn't have huge ugly icons in a huge ugly toolbar and NO BLOODY SIDEBARS .
Why is it that all File Management work on Linux is geared to making everything as unpleasant to use as Windows? I can see an argument for making things easy for converts from Windows but surely not every single project has to start with someone saying "Okay, let's see how Microsoft does it."
What really gets me is the waste of talent; these guys mostly seem to be pretty good programmers. Although they could do with trying to run their code on a sub 1GHz machine with 64Mb of RAM every once in a while.
TWW
Nautilus -- nice, but a couple of gripes :) (Score:4)
I like Nautilus. It feels good to use, and it's pretty to look at. But there's a few things that bother me.
Nautilus does some pretty spiffy anti-aliased text using libart; it should be even spiffer when GDK is set up to use the Render extension (slated for GTK 1.2.9, I think).
It would also be nice if Nautilus was using Gecko stripped of XUL and made to use GTK, rather than all of Mozilla embedded.
And it would be nice if Helix^W Ximian and Eazel would get together on their libs. Nautilus killed Evolution.
That said, it's looking good, actually installs, runs reasonably fast, and hasn't crashed!
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Re:A more lightweight solution (Score:2)
Odd. I'm running 2.0.1 on an ancient P-100 laptop with 48MB and no L2 cache. I would describe its performance there as "adequate". It's still faster and more useful than the Windows 95 it replaced on that machine...
If you haven't tried it already, you might try recompiling QT with the "-fno-exceptions" switch (which solved the "huge and slow" problem for me when I saw someone else post that in a much earlier article - thanks, whoever you were!)
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Re:Why no KOffice in KDE 2.1 Beta 3 (Score:2)
I'm not certain, but I kind of got the impression that KOffice was included with KDE2 mainly to get more people jumping up and down on it to test it, and so people in the "mainstream" would be able to see that KOffice existed. It seemed like they are leaving it out of the newer "current releases" simply because it's not QUITE ready for "prime time" (though it seems to be coming along nicely. KWord's not so hot at the moment, relatively speaking, but KIllustrator seemed nice during what little I played with it. I also notice that Kivio is now in the KOffice snapshots...).
Personally, I can cope. I can deal with StarOffice 5.2 for now until KWord is "ready". (Side note - does anybody know if "OpenOffice 6" can export/save as postscript files? That'd give me a way around the lack of a print function, and I could try it out...)
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Re:Anti-Aliased fonts ? (Score:3)
Re:What is it with these people? (Score:2)
Re:Nautilus -- nice, but a couple of gripes :) (Score:2)
Hmm, that seems somewhat unreasonable to me. Maybe you mean that Evolution killed Nautilus. But even that isn't true, as there are plenty of nautiluses in both Indian and Pacific waters. ;-)
Re:What is it with these people? (Score:2)
It's called mc (or Midnight Commander). Works perfectly for me!
Re:Why does anyone use Gnome? (Score:3)
Why would anyone use KDE? Granted, they done alot of work, and it looks pretty good, but Gnome is better for so many reasons. They were the first ones to create a full free desktop enviroment. It looks far better than any version of KDE does, too. Also, they have done so much for the community, creating projects like Gimp, Gnumeric, GnuCash, and Sawfish; KDE just can't compete!
Er, actually, they're both bitchin, and the flamewar is over. I think you (and all the other morons who actually debate this issue) lost. This is why the Ninjas vs. Pancakes debate was created on Slashdot, that way the trolls would have a worthwhile subject to debate that could easily be automatically modded down to -2 via regex.
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